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Users of UK Broadband ISP Zen Internet Face IP Address Change UPDATE2

Wednesday, Jan 31st, 2024 (1:35 pm) - Score 7,280
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Rochdale-based ISP Zen Internet has notified some customers about a network migration that will result in them being assigned a new Internet Protocol (IP) address or addresses, which for most users should only result in a brief service disruption and no major changes. But for a few customers it may be a bigger problem.

Most consumers tend to connect via broadband providers that use dynamic IP addresses (or shared addressing via nasty CGNAT), and so a change in your IP – however often it may occur – is somewhat par for the course. But in Zen’s case it’s worth remembering that they’ve long sold their packages alongside Static IP (IPv4 and IPv6) addresses as standard (i.e. the IP address shouldn’t change).

NOTE: Internet providers usually lease IP addresses to their customers (i.e. you don’t physically own the address assigned). Zen’s change seems to be focused on older IPv4 addresses.

Static or Fixed IPs tend to be more associated with premium / business packages for advanced users, where customers are more likely to desire a fixed address because they’ll be hosting servers or domains, using bespoke VPNs or VLANs, have specific security requirements (e.g. the need to whitelist a specific IP to firewalls) or want to avoid problems with Carrier Grade NAT etc.

However, it’s also fair to say that sometimes ISPs need to migrate to a new network platform (this is usually a fairly rare event), which can make it difficult to retain the original static IPs during the migration – this appears to be what is now happening at Zen (here). Customers have also been given just 30-days’ notice of the change.

Zen’s Statement

Zen operates one of the largest independent data networks in the UK. We invest significantly for better performance, better resilience, and a network that operates without limits or restrictions. This means constant evaluation and evolution to ensure we are optimising resources.

As with all evolution, this sometimes requires change and the project where we are migrating IPV4 addresses is one such change as we look to consolidate our portfolio.

As state earlier, casual customers don’t really need to worry as, at most, you might see a brief connection drop that lasts around 30 seconds or may need to reboot your broadband router. But for anybody making more specific use of their static IP addresses, particularly those who have paid to harness a range of IPs, then this migration is likely to be a much bigger headache, particularly for network admins.

Speaking of those with multiple IP addresses, there’s another caveat. The FAQ page notes that customers who already had multiple IP addresses as part of your paid package should end up being assigned the same amount of new IP addresses. But anybody provided with multiple IP addresses “outside of an allocated package” will find that Zen are going to “adjust the amount of IP addresses down to one“. So if you want more than one, then it’s time to break out the £££.

One particular problem with this sort of change is that it’s not usually possible for customers to start using the new IP addresses before the migration occurs, which fuels a window of uncertainty and makes it hard for network admins to properly test everything that might be affected. In fact, only giving 30-days’ notice may not be enough for some users with a legacy of IT infrastructure to deal with, which is aptly highlighted by The Register. We have asked Zen to comment.

UPDATE 1st Feb 2024 @ 7am

Surprisingly, we still haven’t had an official response via Zen’s PR channels, which is unusual as they’re typically a bit more on the ball than this. But feedback from some of their customers suggests that only a small proportion of their base are being impacted by this change, although precisely how they define “small” from a connected base of 186,000 remains unclear.

The gist of the situation seems to be that only those who have been directly notified about the change are going to be impacted by it. But email is not the most reliable of communication methods, and invariably some messages could be missed or find their way into the depths of an unwatched anti-spam folder. Sadly, for now, there’s no other way for customers to verify if their IPs are among those due to be changed.

We continue to await some clarity from Zen.

UPDATE 2nd Feb 2024 @ 11:27am

We’ve finally got something concrete from Zen Internet on this.

A Zen Internet spokesperson told ISPreview:

“We are making a change to the static IPv4 addresses allocated to less than 2% of our broadband customers. These are specifically customers with IP addresses within the ranges 82.70.0.0/16 & 88.96.0.0/16. All impacted customers will be notified on or before 29th February 2024.”

Less than 2% gives us a range of between 1,860 to 3,720 customers, at least when looking at their reported broadband base. The fact that notifications are still going out also means that not everybody has been informed yet.

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32 Responses
  1. Avatar photo Tony says:

    Changing backhaul shouldn’t mean changing IP addresses.. it’s just a matter of updating the upstream router tables – the block is still owned by zen. I’m sure ISPs do this semi regularly.

    The explanation doesn’t really go into any details though.. ‘we are migrating IPV4 addresses is one such change as we look to consolidate our portfolio’ is information free marketspeak and not even an attempt at an explanation.

    1. Avatar photo arundel says:

      The vagueness might suggest selling some/a trade of some kind. Just a guess but they are pretty valuable.

    2. Mark-Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      That may well have a role to play, but I’m currently still trying to get a bit more on the technical background for those of us who like to know the detail.

  2. Avatar photo Anthony says:

    “or shared addressing via nasty CGNAT”…. When I read that, I just thought, everyone in this industry clearly knows CGNAT is bad. Why is there no industry push to offer IPv6? I wish there was this industry-wide push to also offer IPv6 to get over CGNAT. All the Altnet ISPs seem to read this forum

    1. Mark-Jackson Mark Jackson says:

      We’ve actually had various industry-level pushes over the years (mostly in the past) and many networks have now adopted IPv6. But ultimately there are no rules to force it and so some providers make their own choices, which often involves putting it on the back burner as being less essential (easier to say if you have a big pool of IPv4s). Equally, for most regular users, CGNAT won’t cause any major problems.

    2. Avatar photo Harry says:

      Why is CGNAT bad?

    3. Avatar photo Munehaus says:

      “Why is CGNAT bad?”

      Because it breaks end-to-end connectivity. Basically you HAVE to use someone else’s server with a real IP to relay all traffic. This adds latency and reduces speeds, but more importantly has security and sustainability issues.

    4. Avatar photo Big Dave says:

      @Harry

      Also because you no longer have your own public IP it makes it impossible to access your own network for example if you have want to remotely access security cameras at your house. Also because the ISP is using NAT and your router is using NAT you can get the double NAT error if using a games console. In fact our local altnet (Swish) uses CGNAT but sold a “gamers” package which included a proper static IP.

    5. Avatar photo MikeP says:

      It turns out there’s a very good reason for an ISP to support, and promote, IPv6. Putting a lot of traffic through CGNAT gets very expensive very quickly (just think that the CGNAT device needs to store state for every “connection” and do a lookup for every packet). So getting your users across to IPv6 for as much of their traffic as possible keeps costs down. A10s ain’t cheap. But, I guess, cheaper than buying IPv4 addresses these days.
      Meanwhile, I see Airband has a whole page explaining why they don’t and won’t support IPv6. Sigh.

    6. Avatar photo Pro4TLZZ says:

      The problem with IPv6 is that network engineers can’t memorise the addresses

    7. Avatar photo Steve says:

      @Pro4TLZZ they invented this new technology not too long ago. DNS. Means you don’t need to memorise IPs anymore.

    8. Avatar photo Bib says:

      @Pro4TLZZ IPv6 can make it _easier_ to remember them as the addresses can be spaced out & micro-allocated.

  3. Avatar photo Ivor says:

    I’m not one of those who thinks static = permanent, indelible, will never change, but 30 days seems like hardly any notice. Especially for those users who use systems that implement IP blocklists which need changing.

    Are they rushing to get some IP blocks onto the market again?

  4. Avatar photo Maxwell Edison says:

    Well I’m with Zen and I’ve heard nothing. I have had two problems this month and the support peoples’ knowledge of IP addressing and associated problems was dire, not to mention unhelpful.

  5. Avatar photo Big Bang says:

    Surely the first phase should be to squeeze the dynamic address customers then work with their static address customers as phase two. Looks like a big bang approach because someone wants the addresses urgently.

    1. Avatar photo Craig says:

      Zen don’t offer dynamic IP addresses as far as I am aware. Every package comes with a free static.

    2. Avatar photo Big Bang says:

      @Craig sorry wasn’t aware of that 🙁

  6. Avatar photo Jack says:

    well, at least they let their customers know about it beforehand. Virgin Media just randomly changed my paid for static business IP and then when questioned about it said well static doesn’t mean it can’t change. amazing.

  7. Avatar photo Walkerx says:

    As a Zen customer with static ip4/ip6 address I’ve not heard anything from them regarding this.
    Would be good if they let customers know who maybe affected with this change

    1. Avatar photo S says:

      Apparently they have emailed people who are going to be renumbered, but there seems to be no other way to check. Support have not been able to advise about affected address ranges (“If Zen haven’t contacted you, you’re not affected by this change”), which is pretty unhelpful if you have customer connections using Zen and you don’t know whether whoever gets the email will actually manage to forward you emails about it…

  8. Avatar photo Rick says:

    Spoke to Zen and they’ve confirmed it’s a tiny number of customers impacted. The support team said 99% of customers unaffected. And of those seeing a change of IP address the majority only have a single IP address. Mountain and mole hill spring to mind.

    1. Avatar photo S says:

      If you’re one of the customers being moved and have ACLs or VPN tunnels that need updating across the country (or world), it’s not necessarily simple (especially when you can’t run the two sets of addresses in parallel during the changeover).

      And the *only* way you have to know whether you’re getting moved at the moment is whether or not the registered email address for the account received an email. There’s no handy checker on the zen.co.uk/IP address page, and Support refuse to tell you.

  9. Avatar photo SimonM says:

    Zen customer with Static IP and also heard nothing.

    Is there a list of the ranges they are changing, wondering if its a very old set used by very few users from being assigned many many years ago, compared with more recent users that may be in a different range?

  10. Avatar photo Eccles says:

    They are just shifting a few users off an IP block that they are putting up for leasing out.

  11. Avatar photo PoweredByVeg says:

    I’m a zen customer with a static ip address and also have heard nothing.

    1. Avatar photo Chris Jones says:

      I’ve been a Zen customer since 2003. When I read the Register article yesterday, I contacted Zen support and according to the response, it is only customers who have a /29 block who are affected. As I only have a single IP, this apparently does not impact me at present.

  12. Avatar photo Sam P says:

    I’ve been Zen with years using the same static IP address.
    I haven’t heard anything from them yet.

    1. Avatar photo IanG says:

      I have had a Zen IPv4 /29 since 2012. Since an FTTP/VoIP install last year(7/2022)I only use a IPv4 /32. As IPv4 is a finite resource so this change makes perfect sense ,preventing CGNat.

      A little bit of careful subneting could get 7 other customers a personal IPv4 /32

      No change to my /48 IPv6 allocation which accounts for most of my internet traffic. I personally don’t have any problem with this change at all.

  13. Avatar photo Derek says:

    I was a Zen customer for 18 years. Now they are forcing an IP address change and dropping me from 5 IP to 1 IP addresses. So I have taken the opportunity of a forced change to also change to Talk Talk and saved myself £200 a year

  14. Avatar photo Stirling says:

    I recently moved to Zen, however now when I try to access bbc.co.uk it switches to bbc.com and the national lottery site says I am located outside the Uk, anyone has experienced something similar?

  15. Avatar photo Anonymous says:

    The switch happened today for me, no internet for about 1h a little bit of panic not knowing if the problem is on my end with pfsense router or on the zen side. Afterwards some adjustments to dns/rdns and everything looks fine apart from speeds being absolutelly slow – well under 100Mbs for downstream.

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